cool water

tamarktamark Member
edited September 2012 in General Discussion
My question might sound weird. I intend to participate in a 25k race at the beggining of June. It is in Spain and water tempreture would be about 21 deg. I generally swim in the mediteranean (and in the pool) in warmer water. I swam at about 20 degrees in the past; my longest swim in cool water was a 10k race ( about 21 deg ) and it felt ok without a wetsuit. (Swimming was fine; stopping to feed was cold) . Wetsuits are allowed and I can decide wether to use it or not in a few month but I'm not sure I can really anticipate the feeling of 8-9 hours in cool water . (I guess my longest swim would be about 17 k - 5-6 hours). Would it be wise to buy a wetsuit and use it anyhow ? I prefare swimming without it if it is a reasonable option.


  • MandaiMandai Charter Member
    Are you doing the XTRM 25k Cabrera channel?
    If so, note that they have a fast (~7+hrs) and a slower group (10hrs) and you cannot go at your own pace. One swimmer who swam w/o wetsuit had to be pulled this year after 4hrs because he couldn't let go... so, it was indeed chilly.
    Only 2 or 3 swimmer swam wetsuit w/o this year. But if you have been okay in your 10km swim then you should be alright to to the whole 25km w/o a wetsuit. Have you done Sa Dragonera this year, that is quite similar in terms of temperature?

  • loneswimmerloneswimmer IrelandCharter Member
    @tamark, at the risk of seeming dogmatic, let me quote the header:

    "those who seek to conquer the world's great bodies of water with merely a textile swimsuit, cap, and goggles."

    I guess there are not a lot of people here who are going to suggest a wetsuit. While they obviously have their place and are useful, and even essential, it's not what we as a group are about.

    My own view is if your want to swim in cool water (and for me 20C water is very warm), then you train to do so. Wear a wetsuit if you wish, it's your choice. Sorry if this answer is not what you want.

  • MandaiMandai Charter Member
    Gotta agree with LS.

    I forgot to mention that you might want to consider participating in the Best Fest, ie a series of 5 swims between 7 and 2.5km over 5 days in the same waters. The Xtrm is on day 7, ie you have a one day break before the big swim. You will thus have 5 shorter swims to test if you are okay with the temperature. Just bring a wetsuit as plan B in case you aren't...
  • Thanks Tobias; Cabrera channel is the one I'm heading to. Did you do it before ?
    I might take a shorter swim before; It depends mainly on the flights schedule. Preparing for a B plan is always advisable.
  • MandaiMandai Charter Member
    Tamark, I did it this year in a wetsuit and will do w/o next year as a prep for Menorca channel crossing in August. You can borrow my wetsuit if you want and size fits (just drop me a message). You'll enjoy the swim, very well organized and crystal clear waters.
  • Thanks a lot ! I'm a rather tiny women so probably the size doen't fit.
  • MandaiMandai Charter Member
    @loneswimmer - I just saw that you have detailed info on "cold" on your website, quite good actually. To get a bit more out of this thread - what's your take on using grease here? There are many opinion about grease on the web and it can be confusing. Considering that Tamark (and myself) simply don't have opportunities to train regularly in cold waters, could that be of (some) help? Related to this, what difference could it make if I would arrive 1 or even 2 weeks before a long swim to acclimatize? Is this sufficient to dealing (better) with cold/chilly water?
    Thanks, Tobias

    "Swimming in a wetsuit is like having sex with a condom.", King of the Rivers

  • evmoevmo San FranciscoAdmin
    Some people think grease has thermal-protective value. I think it's a myth.

    Funny story: A friend of mine actually "broke up" with me on Facebook when I told her the food shortening she slathered all over herself before cold swims actually did nothing to keep her warm. Ah, the power of mental crutches...

    The best way to prepare to swim in cold water is to swim in cold water. 1 or 2 weeks isn't ideal, but it's better than nothing.
  • IronMikeIronMike BostonCharter Member
    Cold showers, baths, will help, I'm told. For a bit before my 10K in the UK I would end my showers by gradually reducing the temperature. Unsure if that helped any, because there were so many other problems with that swim (mandatory wetsuit, for one), but so far I'm having no problems with water down to ~14C.

    Just here troubling deaf heaven with my bootless cries...

  • MandaiMandai Charter Member
    Thanks evmo, that would confirm what I read about grease.
    Ironmike, im always showering cold. Problem is, here in Malaysia that means 78F :)
    Darren Miller said he has an ice bath at home, so that's prob the way to go,
  • MandaiMandai Charter Member
    Thanks Niek, good idea.
    It is somewhat comforting to read about new EC record holder Trent Grimsey's journey. Awesome, awesome performance!
    I cite, "Early on in his career, 20°C (68°F) was considered too cold. The slender 1500m pool swimmer with outstanding balance in his swimming style just couldn't handle cold water, let alone cool water. ".... "He gained muscle and he added on a layer of bioprene. ".

    With a BMI of 20.6, putting on weight and muscle seems to be a must for myself.
  • heartheart San Francisco, CACharter Member
    Bioprene. I love it! "I didn't gain weight, I added a layer of bioprene."
  • bobswimsbobswims Santa Barbara CACharter Member
    My training (thus far) has not included a program of increasing exposure to colder water. Let me first say that I am not thrilled by the prospect of having to swim in cold water, but do it only because the places I want to swim are cold. I have no aspirations to conquer cold water. 70° (21°C) is just fine for me, and if I am going to be in the water 12 hours I'd be fine with 74° (23°C).

    The approach I took for Catalina was the simple heat generated must equal heat loss equation. So I worked on increasing muscle mass and adding body fat. But I am also convinced that mental preparation was just as important. Before Catalina I did a little swimming in the San Francisco Bay and taught myself the difference between "Damn that water is cold" and "Damn I'm cold". Frankly it was a real learning experience for me. This was very important because I trained almost exclusively in a 83° (28+° C) temperature pool. On my Catalina swim the water temperature ranged from approx 65° (18.5° C) for almost the entire swim, to 60° (15.5° C) in the upwelling area approaching the coast. Water temperature was a nonissue for me, but I did have my feedings warmed up.

    So I think that unless you BMI is that of a world class pool swimmer, you should be able to swim comfortably in the water temperature you are facing. Of course you might need to redefine "comfortably" for yourself. Stealing from Lawrence of Arabia: it's not that the water isn't cold, it's just that you don't mind that it's cold.
  • loneswimmerloneswimmer IrelandCharter Member
    @Mandai, I crewed a friend's EC Solo last week. He had no cold water access. For two years he's been on cold water baths & showers (including baths with ice), lighter clothes and a couple of trips to Ireland to train with us. It was our plan over a 2 year period. He was completely fine in the EC. I'm glad all the cold stuff I've writing for two years is of some value, it's my favourite subject.

    No lube retains heat or it would be illegal. Anecdata from some swimmers says they find lanolin "colder" than vaseline.

    Also, (some dropping here), according to him & his coach, Trent put on 10kg over the past year. It aided not just his cold withstanding ability, but also significantly increased his recovery time and decreased his illnesses.

  • MandaiMandai Charter Member
    Thanks @bobswims and @loneswimmer, appreciated; that was the kind of info I was looking for. I've a 15 and 20km swim coming up this Oct and Nov in 19 to 21C waters in Hong Kong and Australia to round up the this year and will see if ice baths will do given the little time left. Bioprene will be the add on for Menorca channel and hopefully Catalina channel for next year.
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