During a swim no physical contact with the swimmer shall be made by any person other than to pass food and drink or secure such items as light sticks for safety reasons.
Ask questions (there are no dumb ones). Discuss the latest exploits. Cheer on your friends. Lively discussion is welcome - but please, no personal attacks.
If you're quoting from a dictionary you certainly don't act as an openwater swimmer. Marathon swimmers quote the rules from the CS&PF or the CSA.
Here I'll quote from the CSA rules for you because apparently you won't bother to look them up yourself. http://www.channelswimmingassociation.com/swim-advice/regulations/
“Moderation is a fatal thing. Nothing succeeds like excess.” - Oscar Wilde
Where is this "log" you speak of reporting 7 hrs without feeds or water? That is not accurate.
I find it "tortured" "nonsense" to equate those limited touches equivalent to "assisted" swims such as shark cage and fin swims. You may be prompted to shout this comment down as "amateurish" but I do believe the press is reading this too and common sense and logic will dictate the broader assessment of this swim.
In my opinion, to denigrate Diana as many here on this long thread have with hundreds of derogatory snipes does not demonstrate objective good sportsmanlike conduct. I do not believe there was any requirement for her to come to any particular board or international body before hand and submit a request for approval of her rules. Steve Munatones was onboard last year so I do believe she has worked hard with the leadership of this community.
We made perhaps a dozen brief under 5 sec touches over 52 hours for safety reasons ie "unassisted" rules by the "pure" EC standard itself.
It was a lengthy procedure because she did all the work of changing herself. There was no "full body contact" involved . We had extremely limited very brief contact - application of tape on ankles and wrist margins and sting stopper to face.
But bringing the question back to "EC rules" (for the sake of this discussion), the motivation of the contact was seen by the crew as a safety measure- thus by EC rules an "unassisted" contact.
First Feeding Since Storm
2:00am Monday September 2, 2013. Swim time: 41:00
Reported by: Candace Hogan
Diana came in for the first time since we've resumed formation, for a feeding.
Diana’s Condition Report, First Light
Monday, 7:30 a.m., Swim time: 46:31
reported by: Katie Leigh
When the whistle blew for Diana’s first feeding stop since before midnight,
From my perspective these contact points were completely limited and prompted by authentic safety issues.
I think the intent of the cited "English Channel Rules" is that touching of the swimmer is "allowable" if there is an immediate danger, such as a shark in the area for Cook Straight, or a hypothermic swimmer, or lightning in the area, or incoherent swimmer wandering away from their escort or something like that.
I agree that the preventative measures employed by Ms. Nyad were for safety reasons, I have not heard any report of any immediate dangers that would have warranted (at least in my opinion) the neccessity for her crew to touch her.
Thank you Niek. I had not read those items. Those blog entries are internally inconsistent:
It is unfortunate that errors in reporting exist but clearly they do.
@ . I am sick about the financial losses Chloe suffered due to poor/insufficient knowledge and or advice. I hope this forum, in the effort to spur and encourage the best athletic achievements is open to authentically celebrating Diana's achievement.
The photos show the handlers starting the process of the suit but she put it on. I did not observe the booties. She put on her gloves herself. Crew helped her with the tape.
I don't think this is correct. Touching isn't "allowable" in the case of hypothermia, lightning, or wandering swimmer. When the swimmer is touched, the swim is over.
In the case of the Cook Strait, again, we're talking about Cook Strait rules, not EC rules.
The suit process was long and laborious because she was the driver of the process. I was a diver and not sitting still to watch. I has diving and doing my job so you rightly must consider that I could not see every second of the process.
I remain happy to address questions.
@evmo. In the context of DN's swim, what would you consider immediate danger; 1. when jellies are seen by crew or the swimmer (DN), 2. in a known jelly area, 3. after a sting?
@ Jbirrrd She drank and fed regularly so clearly she must have had other stops between 2 am and 7 am . I think Janet was on board for that full night recording the times. Almost every time they stopped, I was in the water and I know it was many times that night that I dove.
@timsroot. What if the first sting is fatal?