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Try using a wide mouth plastic botttle put head back and just pour in down...no gulping just pour it and go.
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She suggests also that this technique will help you body to become accustomed to tapping glycogen stores in the liver, which often causes trouble to swimmers in the 6th hour, as your body is switching over to convert fuel.
[Mike Oram] suggested that I go into my long pool swims on an empty stomach so my body would learn how to burn fat effectively. Since I did not eat before my morning workouts I was already doing this, thus simulating the physiological condition after swimming for a few hours. My system was already learning to switch over from its initial stores of carbohydrates and glycogen to fats right from the start of a swim."
And I mix straight apple in with my water and malto.
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I read Dover Solo by Marcia Cleveland, and she suggests (with disclaimer about her medical knowledge of the facts) that it may be a good idea to swim on an empty stomach early in the morning
“Moderation is a fatal thing. Nothing succeeds like excess.” - Oscar Wilde
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I am currently using Hammer Nutrition products for my training; Recoverite after a morning workout (4400-7000 meters), an occasional gel during a workout, and I tried Perpetuem during a 7000 meter swim to see how I would handle it. Does anyone else have experience with Hammer products for longer swims? I'm doing the Kingdom Swim 10 miler in July. Or do most agree that Carbo Pro/Maxim is the 'top dog' in nutrition and fueling?
So Perpetuem did not go the distance. Thanks for sharing! I'll be doing a couple
6 or 7 mile training swims and will try malto and waxy maize. Is the Accelerade more for the taste? Are there any particular brands of maltodextrin that are recommended? Short chain vs. long chain? The fueling issue is clearly very new to me. The 10 miler will be my longest swim to date but look forward to doing more.
Concerning Carbo Pro & Maxim: Evmo has made the observation that these dissolve in water faster than other maltodextrins. If that is so, it means that the chain of glucose molecules in CP & Maxim is shorter (few glucose units bound together) than in other maltodextrins. Maltodextrin is not a fixed # of glucose molecules, but a range. I'm not sure what the implications are to human digestion, but perhaps Evmo's friend, Dr. Sullivan, would know. If it does turn out to be an advantage, one might be able to find a source of shorter chain maltodextrin at a better price than CP & Maxim.
Below is a simplified example of a calorie count chart.
the 1600 calorie held in reserve in the body is an average figure only (I understand that this can be increased a little by training) again if you know better let everyone know.
The 400 calories used in 30 mins is based on an average swimmer doing about 62/65 strokes a minute with effort.
Each swimmer uses a different number of calories depending on their metabolism but it is usually (I think) between 600 to 900 an hour).
If anyone can enlighten us on the subject please do as it is hard to find the answer, or how to estimate it, on the web.
I have based the chart on a standard recommended 60 gram (3 scoop) feed of maxium with around at least 500 mils of water - you need to read the calorific feed content and the mixing instructions on the pack of whatever you are going to use. Maxim is quoted because I know it and it's habits.
Gatorade, Lucazade, gel, gue and all the other multimix feeds need "special" consideration. I do not like them.
Note there is no electrolyte feed included and spillage and refusal to drink all the feed has been included
Calories replaced by feed
calories left to swim on
About1600 calories Approximate calories used The calories replaced by the Fuel left in the tank
held in reserve by the by the body between feeds Feed taken by the swimmer
body at start of swim
My well-worn bible of nutrition information is found here:
Sports Nutrition for Endurance Athletes
The title speaks for itself. Don't be fooled by the cover art, Monique goes in-depth for swimmers, too. This invaluable reference book sits next to my swim bag because it covers nutrition from the start of training, through the taper, across the Channel, and finally once you're safe back home.
Monique explains the chemistry and the biology of proper eating. She explains the challenges of fueling on-the-go. What to consider eating days before a swim, hours before, and during. Mike Oram said it best: Hydration is a swimmer's first concern. Chapter #1 of Monique's book is hydration.
In my mind, a big problem any swimmer faces -- concerning nutrition -- is keeping fluids "down". For hours at a time, a swimmer's stomach and mouth are on the same horizontal plane. Getting sloshed around the sea surface. All it takes is a little disturbance, and those fluids flow the wrong way. What long-distance swimmer hasn't experience this?
Therefore, it's in the best interest of every endurance swimmer to "test swim" their chosen fuel. You could have the best complex-carb drink available on the market, but it's all for naught if your body rejects it. First judge your fuel by the label. Which offers a proper ratio of carbs, proteins and minerals? Then what tastes best going down? What agrees with you after 6+ hours of swimming? After consecutive days of difficult training? What isn't completely awful on the way back up?
Mike Oram is absolutely correct: It's absurd the amount of time a swimmer will put into physical training with complete disregard to nutrition. I believe you ought to "train" your tastebuds and stomach, while you train your shoulders and mental fortitude. In my personal experience, Monique Ryan's "Sports Nutrition for Endurance Athletes" was the first step toward the Channel. There was plenty to study, learn and alter about my daily meal plans. My second step was slipping into a Speedo and, third, was jumping in freezing-cold water.
you need many more calories than you think swimming...like 600 to 900 per hour...so your mixes should be rich/pretty thick
better to be over fed and bloated than run out of gas.
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