Training volume and tide assistance
Greetings and salutations!
I'm training for The 17 mile Ederle Swim in August 2012. Given the fact that there will most probably be a positive tide on a large portion of the swim how do I adjust max training distance in a non-tide enviroment like the pool or a lake?
Is there a rule of thumb, like longest swim on a lake will be 70% of tide assisted distance on a river?
I was planning to keep my longest training swim for this at 10 miles for this in a lake. and 10K in a pool.
Any advice?
JP
I'm training for The 17 mile Ederle Swim in August 2012. Given the fact that there will most probably be a positive tide on a large portion of the swim how do I adjust max training distance in a non-tide enviroment like the pool or a lake?
Is there a rule of thumb, like longest swim on a lake will be 70% of tide assisted distance on a river?
I was planning to keep my longest training swim for this at 10 miles for this in a lake. and 10K in a pool.
Any advice?
JP
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My 10K in the UK was down the Dart River. I hit the 4K mark about 20 minutes earlier than I expected, and hit the 8K mark about 40 minutes earlier. I finished the entire thing in 2:34.55. My 'flat' 5K time (5 x loops in a lake) was 1:47. My goal for the 10K was 3:30 based on no help from the current.
My training leading up to it was ~3200 yards per workout, 4x per week. For a couple months prior, I'd swim 'long' on a weekend day, gradually building up to 2.5 hours.
Way more experienced folks will respond to you, I just wanted to give you a purely amateur take on it.
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With Ederle I think it's more useful to focus on how long you'll be swimming, rather than the distance. Historically, Ederle has been a 5.5-7 hour swim (with an occasional 8-hour finish), depending on the speed of the swimmer. Plan your training swims accordingly.
If you want to get technical, you can consult the tide tables for NY Harbor for the day of the swim, and estimate an average current assist. Then input your swim speed and estimate your finish time. However, there are other unpredictable factors that can affect the push you'll get, usually having to do with weather.
A 10-mile training swim sounds about right, I think. Ederle can also be choppy... schedule your lake training swim on a windy day, perhaps?
Good luck!
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I don't trust the weekly yardage number, except as a negative. In other words, if you're not swimming the total distance on a weekly basis, you may have problems. I've been swimming over 10 miles per week for at least a year. Right now, I'm up to about 15 miles per week. I don't think I could swim 10 miles tomorrow. Or, if I could, it would be slow and painful.
I'm with ChickenOSea--I'm training for the worst case in terms of time. My 10-mile swim (Swim the Suck) has a cut-off of 6 hours, so I'm going to do a 6-hour swim before it. I want to have fun and swim my best, not push my endurance just to finish. If 6 hours is massive overkill (I hope!), it's worth it.
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I wouldn't want to do a 10K on 10K/week of training. Same for 10 miles. But I could imagine doing 20K on 20K/week of training. And I did do several swims of 20+ miles last year on (somewhat less than) 20 miles/week of training.
What's special about the 18-20km threshold? I'm not sure. But for me, 5-6 days per week of "about an hour" of swimming gets me to 18-20km in a week. Actually, I think "about an hour" of swimming, most days, is just a basic requirement for keeping a decent feel for the water. If that hour of swimming includes some intensity - such as the workouts described in the Lunchtime Set Thread - then I think a swimmer can actually accomplish quite a lot with this sort of training.
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This seems to be a geed thread for an Ederle question-My first question is the Ederle Swim still active? @evmo stated the swim is usually completed by most participants in the 5.5-7 hrs range, which seems kind of fast for a swim that is 17.5 miles, as the crow flies. This is one of the long swims where I have heard people talk about training for "time in the water swimming", as opposed to preparing for the mileage to be swum. is this because of the current assist? I swam a 2 miler a couple years ago and a gentleman who finished not far in front of me, actually completed the Ederle a couple years earlier than that, in a " swim MPH " that was clearly faster than he swam in a lake that day with me, a lake on a day in perfect conditions, with no wind. So my main question is how much typical current assist is there in this swim? Also, do they determine, based on tide, which way the race will be swum? For example, Battery Park to SH, or SH to Battery Park. looks like I have seen it done in both directions. But i'm still interested. Thanks!
I did the Ederle in 2013 in 4:51. Times were from 4:40 to around 6 hours in my group. We went from Manhattan to Sandy Hook. I know it has been swum both ways but I don't know why one way was chosen over the other. There is talk of the Ederle coming back in some format. I know there is plans afoot to do similar swims from Coney Island to Sandy Hook (?) in the future.
I loved the Ederle, but you never forget your first marathon swim.
I would love to see the Ederle return.
That's a fast time @JustSwim looks like the whole field swam faster times than maybe normal that day, It looks like you guys caught the Ederle on a fast day, But great job! the only way I could go 4:51 on that track would be on a kayak
.. As a point of reference for me, would you mind me asking back in the summer of 13' when you were preparing for that race what would you would estimate was your 1500 scm or 1650 scy pool time? trying to get a point of reference for how much variation/push the Ederle can give on any given day.